{"id":147,"date":"2012-01-20T18:01:55","date_gmt":"2012-01-20T18:01:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/?p=147"},"modified":"2012-03-18T04:02:28","modified_gmt":"2012-03-18T04:02:28","slug":"ben-sheets-vs-barry-zito","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/2012\/01\/20\/ben-sheets-vs-barry-zito\/","title":{"rendered":"Ben Sheets vs. Barry Zito"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When I read Moneyball a while back, it was already a few years old, and already seemed it (a whole chapter devoted to Scott Hatteberg?!)  I don&#8217;t remember all of it, but one part in particular stood out for me at the time:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The hardest thing,&#8221; says Billy [Beane], &#8220;is there is a certain pride, or lack of pride, required to do this right.  You take a guy high no one else likes and it makes you uncomfortable.  But I mean, really, who gives a f**k where guys are taken?  Remember Zito?  Everyone said we were nuts to take Zito with the ninth pick of the draft.  And we <em>knew<\/em> everyone was going to say that.  One f**king month later it&#8217;s clear we kicked everyone&#8217;s ass.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>A lot of people in the room have forgotten that the scouting department hadn&#8217;t wanted to take Barry Zito because Barry Zito threw an 88-mph fastball.  They preferred a flamethrower named Ben Sheets.  &#8220;Billy [Beane] made us take Zito,&#8221; Bogie [a scout] later confesses.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, now that both guys&#8217; careers are essentially over, we can ask the question: who had the better career, Zito or Sheets?  Did Billy really kick everyone&#8217;s ass with that pick?  Or were the scouts right?<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I have chosen to measure the careers by fWAR (Fangraphs Wins Above Replacement) because I think that&#8217;s probably the best way.  (If you want to do it some other way, be my guest, but bear with me for this part.)  Now, before I reveal who has accumulated more WAR over his career, what do you think the answer will be, based on what you know about both careers?<\/p>\n<p>Personally, my guess was Zito.  I didn&#8217;t follow either guy especially closely during their careers, but I recall that while Sheets probably had the higher peak, Zito was much, much more durable, and he wasn&#8217;t so bad himself, even winning a Cy Young award along the way.  Sure, he&#8217;s been awful since joining the Giants, but he&#8217;s still been above replacement level.  So I would have guessed Zito would have accumulated more WAR, maybe about 15% more.<\/p>\n<p>Well, here&#8217;s what Fangraphs says &#8212; Zito: 30.8 WAR.  Sheets: 31.7.<\/p>\n<p>So, yeah.  Sheets&#8217; peak was WAY higher than Zito&#8217;s.  And it actually gets better &#8212; the FANS prediction for Zito this year is 0.9 WAR, which means he and Sheets would be exactly even in WAR at year&#8217;s end.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;But wait,&#8221; you might say.  &#8220;It&#8217;s not fair to compare their entire careers.  The A&#8217;s would only have had control over their pick for six years, before he hit free agency.  Who accumulated more WAR over those first six years?&#8221;  Good point, theoretical reader.  Let&#8217;s take a look: during Zito&#8217;s time with the A&#8217;s, he accumulated 24.2 WAR.  Meanwhile, in Sheets&#8217;s first six years with the Brewers* he accumulated 24.5 WAR.<\/p>\n<p><em>* I&#8217;m not sure when he would have first hit free agency &#8212; the Brewers bought out at least one year of it with a contract extension.  This number might actually be higher.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>So to recap: the A&#8217;s didn&#8217;t exactly &#8220;kick everyone&#8217;s ass&#8221; with this pick.  If anything, it was a wash.  But there is an amusing postscript to the story &#8212; the A&#8217;s did end up signing Ben Sheets to a one-year contract for $10 million at the end of his career.  He gave them 0.6 WAR for their efforts.  Guess they just picked him up at the wrong time.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When I read Moneyball a while back, it was already a few years old, and already seemed it (a whole chapter devoted to Scott Hatteberg?!) I don&#8217;t remember all of it, but one part in particular stood out for me &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/2012\/01\/20\/ben-sheets-vs-barry-zito\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-147","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-baseball"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/147","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=147"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/147\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":173,"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/147\/revisions\/173"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=147"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=147"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alexboisvert.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=147"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}